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\u539f\u6587\u5730\u5740\uff1a<\/b>Opinion | 13 Writers on Who Won the Walz-Vance Vice-Presidential Debate<\/a>
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Times Opinion asked 13 of our columnists and contributors to watch the vice-presidential debate on Tuesday night and assess who won and who lost. We also asked them to weigh in on the quality of the debate. Were the candidates inspiring, or was their face-off a depressing sign of everything that\u2019s wrong with American politics?\nHere\u2019s what our columnists and contributors thought of the event. In a new feature, readers can score the debate, too, by dropping a pin on the scorecard to see how they stack up against other readers, as well as our contributors.\nBinyamin Appelbaum, member of the editorial board JD Vance was more effective in presenting a version of his party\u2019s ticket that might broaden its appeal. He made Trumpism sound polite, calm and coherent. The question is whether voters will credit a performance so strikingly at odds with the behavior and views of the man he was purporting to represent.\nJosh Barro, author of the newsletter Very Serious Vance was far nimbler than the nervous Tim Walz, especially in the first half of the debate. But as the debate went on, Vance stumbled on two issues \u2014 abortion and the 2020 election \u2014 where his rhetorical skill could not salvage the very unappealing material he was working with.\nCharles M. Blow, Times columnist Walz won. You could tell that he was a teacher, because he clearly did his homework. Anyone afraid that Vance would roll over him could breathe easily. Vance seemed to have been told not to come across as a condescending valedictorian. But he might have heeded that advice too well. Vance\u2019s performance was anemic. Also, he had to contort himself to dodge Donald Trump\u2019s statements and his own past statements.\nJamelle Bouie, Times columnist It\u2019s a pretty straightforward verdict: Vance won this debate. It\u2019s not hard to see why. He has spent most of his adult life selling himself to the wealthy, the powerful and the influential. He is as smooth and practiced as they come. He has no regard for the truth. He lies as easily as he breathes. We saw this throughout the debate. He told Americans that there are 20 million to 25 million \u201cillegal aliens\u201d \u2014 a lie. He told Americans that Mexico is responsible for the nation\u2019s illegal gun problem \u2014 a lie. He told Americans that Trump actually tried to save the Affordable Care Act \u2014 a lie. If Vance had to sell the benefits of asbestos to win office, he would do it well and do it with a smile.\nJane Coaston, contributing Opinion writer Vance seemed smoother and more practiced, but \u201cwon\u201d is a very strong term here.\nGail Collins, Times columnist Calling it a draw just because Walz was so bad in much of his delivery. Vance was a much more forceful speaker while spewing lies on everything from abortion to Biden\u2019s foreign policy.\nRoss Douthat, Times columnist For Vance, it was a commanding performance. For Walz, it was a nervous ramble. For the audience, it was the most civil and substantive debate of the Trump era.\nMatt Labash, author of the newsletter Slack Tide Nobody truly dominated. But I\u2019m giving the slight edge to Walz, since Vance embarrassingly soft-pedaled Jan. 6 and Trump posted this to Truth Social during the debate: \u201cMore Notes! Why Can\u2019t Walz just remember what he has to say? Low IQ!\u201d Reminding us that Vance\u2019s boss should watch more Hallmark Channel, less Newsmax.\nKatherine Mangu-Ward, editor of Reason Vance won. Compared with the candidates in the presidential debates, both vice-presidential candidates performed admirably. But if you watch enough \u201cLove Is Blind,\u201d you can forget that Jane Austen exists. Vance was facile and light on his feet, but this debate will not go down in the annals of great political rhetoric.\nDaniel McCarthy, editor of the periodical Modern Age Vance won with a stronger start, then Walz lost with a closing statement boasting of a Harris coalition \u201cfrom Bernie Sanders to Dick Cheney to Taylor Swift.\u201d Socialism, endless war and manufactured teen feelings are the last things voters want or need in November.\nMegan Stack, contributing Opinion writer Vance nimbly reframed questions to his advantage, sounded deeply concerned about ordinary Americans and managed to appear forthright even when sidestepping or dissembling. Vance ran circles around Walz. Until the very end, when the question of Jan. 6 and democracy shook Walz awake, he often looked woolly and discombobulated, widened eyes suggesting panic.\nFarah Stockman, member of the editorial board I\u2019d call it a tie. Vance did an excellent job of impersonating a decent man. Walz flubbed a number of answers \u2014 and dodged a question about whether he lied about being in China during the Tiananmen protests in 1989. But he recovered.\nPeter Wehner, contributing Opinion writer Vance. He was sharp and in command and proved he\u2019s an excellent debater. At times he tried too hard to appear likable; I came away more convinced that he\u2019s a hollow man, radioactive and incendiary one day, conciliatory and agreeable the next. But the \u201cgood Vance\u201d did a lot to repair his tattered image.\nAppelbaum The exchange on immigration. Vance played on fears of immigrants and deftly deflected a question about the dangers of such language by insisting he was focused on the welfare of \u201cAmerican citizens.\u201d Meanwhile, instead of folksy Walz, the audience got a lecture on legislative procedure.\nBarro Asked whether Trump lost the 2020 election, Vance replied \u201cTim, I\u2019m focused on the future,\u201d then pivoted to talk about the past: about pressure government officials put on social media platforms in 2021 to censor posts related to Covid. While some of Vance\u2019s redirections in the debate were effective, this one just highlighted how he sold his soul to get on the ticket.\nBlow Walz kept invoking his policies as governor and how national policies affected his state. Vance had no corresponding examples. It was a subtle but effective way of underscoring Walz\u2019s executive governing experience, which marked him as more of a leader.\nBouie Vance won overall, but if there was one pivotal moment, it came at the end, when he refused to admit that Joe Biden won the 2020 presidential election. Vance might have undermined his entire performance by indulging Trump\u2019s election denialism.\nCoaston Vance\u2019s complete nonanswer to the Jan. 6 question.\nCollins Maybe just when the Democratic vice-presidential candidate walked in, appearing super-nervous. That charming grin he\u2019s so famous for was more of a desperate stare.\nDouthat Vance set the tone during the initial foreign policy questions, when he offered a variation on the famous \u201cAre you better off than you were four years ago?\u201d question for world affairs and Walz could barely muster a response. That was the pattern of the whole night: Vance reliably gave the strongest version of the Trumpian case (including in areas where the Trumpian case is weak); Walz only intermittently offered anything like an effective counter and hardly ever turned the tables.\nLabash There really weren\u2019t any. Even though I just watched the debate, I\u2019ve already forgotten it. So many factlets recited from memory, without anyone saying anything memorable. Maybe the Trump years have ruined vanilla politics forever.\nMangu-Ward In the final minutes, Walz landed confident hits on the facts and implications of Jan. 6. The debate didn\u2019t go his way, but he finished robustly with the point that Trump\u2019s behavior that day is the strongest case against a Trump-Vance ticket.\nMcCarthy Vance had a tougher second half than Walz but ended on a decisive point in favor of the Trump ticket: Harris has been in office for nearly four years and can\u2019t credibly promise change, or as Vance put it, \u201cDay 1 was 1,400 days ago, and her policies have made these problems worse.\u201d\nStack Addressing Jan. 6, Walz finally found his voice and clarity. Suddenly the dynamic flipped, with Vance waffling and then pivoting to censorship rather than engaging with Trump\u2019s efforts to subvert the results of the last election. But this moment came so late in the evening, it felt more like an epilogue than the main event.\nStockman When Vance portrayed Trump as the savior of Obamacare. The people I was watching with laughed out loud. They also laughed when Walz asked Vance whether Trump lost the 2020 election and Vance replied, \u201cI\u2019m focused on the future.\u201d\nWehner There wasn\u2019t one. A vice-presidential debate wouldn\u2019t have mattered under any circumstances, but this one won\u2019t move the needle at all. The debaters were at times respectful and agreed with each other, but the debate itself will be forgotten by the end of the week.\nAppelbaum For 90 minutes, this debate felt almost like a throwback to a more innocent time when all that was at stake in a presidential election was peace and prosperity. Then in the final few minutes, anyone still watching was reminded that Vance, like his running mate, doesn\u2019t regard himself as bound by the results of democratic elections. It was a strange thing to save for the end.\nBarro While a lot of predebate coverage focused on the idea that Walz and Vance have an unusual level of animus, the debate was remarkably civil, policy-focused and normal. It\u2019s a preview of what politics might look like someday when we again have an election not involving Trump.\nBlow Vance\u2019s cerise tie was \u2026 a choice.\nBouie Vance\u2019s quip that many Americans don\u2019t agree with him on abortion really underplayed the fact that his position \u2014 that there\u2019s little to nothing that would entitle a woman to terminate a pregnancy \u2014 is toxic to a vast majority of Americans.\nCoaston Vance saying that Republicans needed to \u201cearn\u201d back the trust of the American people on abortion. I wonder why. Once again, Dobbs remains the single greatest \u201cdog that caught the car\u201d moment in political history.\nCollins When Walz pointed out that, despite his claims to the contrary, Trump did lose the election in 2020 and Vance replied, \u201cI\u2019m focused on the future.\u201d\nDouthat On almost every policy issue that came up, Vance was armed with much more detail than Walz; on many of those policy issues, he staked out a position that could be framed as more moderate or centrist than his party\u2019s orthodoxy. That\u2019s a very Bill Clintonian combination, one that wins debates \u2014 and elections.\nLabash Interesting that Vance \u2014 normally so preoccupied with masculinity issues \u2014 wore a hot pink tie. Is he showing us his softer side?\nMangu-Ward In an exchange about censorship, the candidates squabbled over what constitutes \u201cshouting fire in a crowded theater.\u201d That phrase turns up, like a bad penny, anytime someone is struggling to justify unconstitutional censorship. It originates in the context of Schenck v. United States, a 1919 Supreme Court case about anti-draft pamphleting, and it is one of the most misunderstood and misused phrases in legal history.\nMcCarthy Walz often talked about farms, whereas Vance emphasized manufacturing. Walz\u2019s agricultural focus might have helped him in Minnesota, but it\u2019s a gamble when the industrial work force is likely to be decisive in Pennsylvania and other battleground states this year.\nStack The candidates were each asked about embarrassing or dishonest statements. Walz rambled and fumbled and called himself a \u201cknucklehead\u201d but never explained, even when pressed by the moderator. Vance, on the other hand, simply said that he\u2019d been wrong and wanted to be honest about having been wrong.\nStockman Vance admitted several times that his party had lost trust on abortion.\nWehner Vance \u2014 because he was quite good and Trump was so awful \u2014 must have had MAGA Republicans all over the country admit, if only to themselves, that Trump is not just flawed but deranged. For them, it must have been 90 minutes of enormous relief. Oh, and Vance\u2019s excellent reviews will enrage Trump. So will the fact that Vance seemed more interested in repairing his own image than being Trump\u2019s attack dog.\n<\/pre>\n
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